Doug, The samples were made with sublimation and white toner and transferred to UNCOATED glass and acrylic.
AL La Costa
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Dave, I am not familiar with the OEM transfer process. I am familiar with the sublimation laser transfer.
AL La Costa
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OK Al, then the next question is why would one want to use a higher cost sublimation toner, and white coating when not needed? Just because they have it? Or, better yet....it helps your sales (devil)

Doug

Doug,

One reason for Al's using sublimation toner may be that a white toner isn't available in OEM toner.

I don't know. That's my guess.

Thanks for the clarification on the post-bake issue with tiles, in stating that bisque tiles don't require post-baking.

Doug, It is on uncoated glass and acrylic with a white opaque backing on the print area. The OEM toner isn,t less expensive per print then laser sublimation.
David Requested some samples from me and I sent them to him.
This thread isn,t for sales but should be educational. It is as educational to me as to the members to know what products like glass and acrylics can be embellished in color by different processes.
I look forward to see the different processes at the ARA show in Vegas.
AL La Costa
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Dave, It is a white opaque toner backing. It is all transferred as one transfer.
AL La Costa
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Al,

Is the white opaque toner applied to the transfer paper, before the color image is added in a subsequent pass?

I think I read a brief overview of your process and that's how it worked.

Al, I fully agree that this thread is to be educational and I'm attempting to keep it that way. But, along with learning the methods used and the proper technique names it is important that they know the comparative costs.

I can't speak for the price of sublimation toner compared to OEM toner and I am surprised that you are saying that using the white base toner and the sub toner is equal or less expensive, especially when you consider the extra time to lay down the white on the transfer paper (consider the extra time to either change out the toner carts, or the expense of a second printer).

Interesting, went to a site that sells sublimation laser toner and a white solution to do a comparison of prices...none were listed. Guess I'll have to take your word for it Al.

Doug

David, that is as I understand the process.

It is also important to point out that you must either change out the white carts for the sub toner carts or run two separate lasers.

Now, fair is fair. With OEM laser toner to acrylic or glass, after the transfer is done, we do either have to paint over the transfer or lay a vinyl material down to bring out the colors.

Doug

David, nor did I read into the post any effort to "obfuscate"...sheesh.

What I did read is that sublimation (white toner) process is no more costly than OEM laser process....I seriously doubt this and, I challenge Al to put up the numbers to substantiate it.

Doug

To answer the question about backgrounding spots. I get that with the Konica. I would say that it is just a bit extra toner splatter, but it is in a very definite pattern. It appears to be mostly yellow. Maybe it is a color correction bug.

It is so faint that you can give one or two quick wipes with lighter fluid to remove them. Lighter fluid will slowly dissolve the toner, but gets rid of the backgrounding fast without seeming to affect image.

I have no idea if the Oki gives the same results.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

Doug,

I agree that the numbers will substantiate (or nullify) Al's statement.

Overall, maybe I'm overly-sensitive to the fact that whenever something new comes along, (that people either don't understand or think is impossible), the first course of action, by many, is to shoot it down, as being smoke and mirrors, (vaporware), too costly or completely unviable.

It's usually the same people who have never seen results of the process or met the people behind it.

Personally, I've learned my lesson, in being one of the original naysayers of the Atomic Art process (and then being proven wrong) and I've seen Al taken to task, (on other forums) by those falling just short of calling him a snake oil salesman or a shameless pitch man.

The tangible samples in front of me, say the process is not only possible but viable.

David, I have said my piece on this topic and rather than continue to beat the dead horse, I will now back out and watch and see how it all works itself out.

I hopefully have given folks interested in both technologies, food for thought, and that the same careful decision making process one would use before signing up for AtomicArt will be used in laser transfer applications.

But, of course, I can't leave without one last comment. I will believe much more so when AtomicArt can demonstrate their process in a open forum such as a ARA show, When Al can demonstrate his white process in the same open forum. If either of these two processes were being demonstrated, perhaps I'd found some value in attending the show. I did travel to Mick's several years ago to see his process in person. Further more, when I hear from bonafide users of different technologies that they have been able to purchase the product and tell of their experiences...that will help also.

Doug

Hi Mick, The OEM toner muted into the white tone. Your question is the opposite from how we normally do this when printing onto something from the front. That is we print the color first and then the white on top.

When want to transfer from the backside of a acrylic or crystal award we print the white first and then the color. I haven,t tried that with OEM but now I will and get that info. to you.

Mick, Call me as I would like to try your papers with this process.
AL La Costa
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David, Yes the white toner is put on after the color toner for printing onto the font of substrates like mirrors, trophy plaques, and dark acrylics.

We do it in reverse to transfer onto the backsde of Crystal and acrylics.
AL La costa
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Thank you Al. Makes sense.

Your statement, as to sublimation toner being no less expensive than OEM toner, is still up in the air.

Any comment on that?