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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6228.21 In reply to 6228.15 
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With a press and a satellite, one could do the same quantity of mugs in 60 minutes...

This setup runs about $1,200 Chuck? Might be able to make that happen if (...and that's a big if) a large order were placed. But Murphy's Law could also put me firmly in the hole if we were to rely on 5-10 mugs at a shot, particularly with a new market for us.
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It will be interesting to hear about your ultimate decision.
For me too! :S

Jim

EDITED: 4 Mar 2007 by GREAT_ATLANTIC

 

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 From:  Mick
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.22 In reply to 6228.11 
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Mick....your wraps are among those we are looking at. The dssi folks seem to really rave at the quality. Have you considered a special offer for the members here at EE? (angel)
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10% discount on wraps and our brand new mug press called the SmartPress. That takes the press down to $585

Mick
Cactus Equipment & Supplies
www.cactus-equipment.com
800-440-6847

EDITED: 4 Mar 2007 by MICK

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6228.23 In reply to 6228.18 
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Although I've never used a mug wrap, over the years, the "common wisdom" has been wraps are the way to go for volume orders and more importantly, reliable top to bottom coverage.

Do you use a press in your sublimation business, David?

Pretty interesting to see that other sizes of wraps/products are available.

Jim

 

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 From:  Mick
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6228.24 In reply to 6228.15 
Two presses might be better than a primary and a satellite. If the primary goes down, you lose both and don't have a backup.

Mick
Cactus Equipment & Supplies
www.cactus-equipment.com
800-440-6847

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.25 In reply to 6228.23 
Jim,

I don't do many mugs. Mostly plates for award plaques and name badges.

When I do press mugs, I have carte blanche at a friend's shop who owns a Novachrome Mug Pro. Older model, with less top to bottom coverage than the newer model, but it's a very nice press.

I try to keep the image area to about 2.875" tall, which is ample for most applications.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Mick 
6228.26 In reply to 6228.22 
Mick,

Get out the wet noodle, but throughout the ARA show I never did lay eyes upon the SmartPress.

Any pictures?

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Mick
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6228.27 In reply to 6228.26 
Too bad David, I'll put more info in the Advertising/Buy/Sell area

Mick
Cactus Equipment & Supplies
www.cactus-equipment.com
800-440-6847

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Mick 
6228.28 In reply to 6228.24 
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Two presses might be better than a primary and a satellite. If the primary goes down, you lose both and don't have a backup.


Mick,
You have a good point.
 

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 From:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6228.29 In reply to 6228.15 

You are right but you are working for the entire 60 minutes, non-stop, and are getting nothing else done in the mean time. I, on the other hand, have the whole time the mugs are cooking to work on other projects. I can make twice as much money in the same amount of time.

And, if I had 4 sets of wraps and two ovens I could do a gazillion times more mugs than you could with your press.

Best of all, my 4 sets of wraps and two ovens only cost me $360 - how much was your satellite again? :)

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.30 In reply to 6228.21 
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This setup runs about $1,200 Chuck?


That is correct Jim. But if you truly are looking at the potential for a 1000 mug order..........

I can see that Ed and myself very well may be in the minority as this thread progresses, and I DO know there are lots of folks that have more experience than I, and ultimately it is a decision based upon personal preference......but the press, while more expensive just seems so much less cumbersome to *me*. Plus it has less of a foot print on your workspace than an oven.

Ok, I believe that has added up to about 6 cents now. I'm still offering change if you want it. :B
 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE) 
6228.31 In reply to 6228.29 
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You are right but you are working for the entire 60 minutes, non-stop, and are getting nothing else done in the mean time.


Gary,
This comes down to a work style. For *me*, I tend to not work as efficiently when I am jumping between jobs or projects. I find it is more efficient and a better use of my time for *me* to focus on one project at a time.....
I see your point, however as I mentioned to Jim, ultimately it comes down to a matter of preference in tools.
 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE) 
6228.32 In reply to 6228.29 
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You are right but you are working for the entire 60 minutes, non-stop, and are getting nothing else done in the mean time.


Actually, while mugs are in our mug presses, at about 5 minutes per, we are running our laser throughout the day on a variety of high margin projects.

The bottomline is do what works for you. Mug Pro presses work for us. Wraps may work for others.

BTW, no one has mentioned wraps for steins. Since we do quite a few steins, and we do them in the same press as the 11oz and 15oz mugs, we're even more convinced that the Mug Pro press is OUR way to go. And we have 6 years of being continuously online to prove it.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  gt350ed 
6228.33 In reply to 6228.32 
BTW, let me introduce you to our staff.....

Hi! I'm Ed. No, you were Ed last time, I'm Ed! And that guy over there running the mug press....that's Ed. So, who's the laser operator?

Oh, that's Ed, as well.

Let me introduce you to our Graphics Dept.


"Hi Ed!!"

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6228.34 In reply to 6228.30 
Chuck,

With an order for 1000 identical mugs, I wouldn't even THINK of doing them myself. There are real options to just broker the job and have them printed by a promo product supplier.... ;-)

MUCH less time, similar profit and NO electricity cost... You are figuring the cost of running either ovens or presses to make the 1000 mugs, aren't you? :-$

"Good friends can be a real annoyance."

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  UncleSteve 
6228.35 In reply to 6228.34 
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MUCH less time, similar profit and NO electricity cost... You are figuring the cost of running either ovens or presses to make the 1000 mugs, aren't you? :-$



Yes, but there is a time factor also. One would be able to offer faster service doing it themselves. A point that customers would appreciate I think.

Also, I get nervous handing over control on some things. I always have. But that's just *ME*.
 

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 From:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE)
 To:  gt350ed 
6228.36 In reply to 6228.32 
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The bottomline is do what works for you. Mug Pro presses work for us. Wraps may work for others.


exactly...
 

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 From:  jpkevin
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.37 In reply to 6228.1 

This is a great discussion, that every person who is considering doing mugs should see.

There are definite pros and cons to both presses and wraps, depending on what your business model is, but you need to be informed before you purchase.

I personally like the wraps for the following reason. It allows someone to test the mug market for a very reasonable entry amount, and then increase your equipment as your production requirements increase.

The bottom line is that you need a production mode that matches your business model. For some people, that may be presses, others it is wraps, and some may do both. One thing I know is that generally one's business is fluid and ever changing, and it is good to know the options available.

Kevin Lumberg
Sublimation Specialist
Johnson Plastics
1-800-869-7800
kevinl@johnsonplastics.com

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  jpkevin 
6228.38 In reply to 6228.37 
Agreed, Kevin...this has been a terrific thread. Thanks to all for the information you've shared! I'm leaning toward the wraps for the very reason you've stated: it will allow us to test the waters at a very low entry cost.

It may yet be a few weeks before we pull the trigger on this....I'm still waiting for my system to arrive. But eventually we'll be mugging it up with the rest of you :B

Jim

 

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 From:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.39 In reply to 6228.38 

JPKevin gave me a great lead on a convection oven at Wal-Mart, it's less than $80 and they usually offer free delivery. It will hold at least 5 wraps, maybe more.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4012129

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE) 
6228.40 In reply to 6228.39 
Great minds think alike....see post #19 ;-)

Jim

 
 
   
 

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