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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Mick 
6228.28 In reply to 6228.24 
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Two presses might be better than a primary and a satellite. If the primary goes down, you lose both and don't have a backup.


Mick,
You have a good point.
 

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 From:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6228.29 In reply to 6228.15 

You are right but you are working for the entire 60 minutes, non-stop, and are getting nothing else done in the mean time. I, on the other hand, have the whole time the mugs are cooking to work on other projects. I can make twice as much money in the same amount of time.

And, if I had 4 sets of wraps and two ovens I could do a gazillion times more mugs than you could with your press.

Best of all, my 4 sets of wraps and two ovens only cost me $360 - how much was your satellite again? :)

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.30 In reply to 6228.21 
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This setup runs about $1,200 Chuck?


That is correct Jim. But if you truly are looking at the potential for a 1000 mug order..........

I can see that Ed and myself very well may be in the minority as this thread progresses, and I DO know there are lots of folks that have more experience than I, and ultimately it is a decision based upon personal preference......but the press, while more expensive just seems so much less cumbersome to *me*. Plus it has less of a foot print on your workspace than an oven.

Ok, I believe that has added up to about 6 cents now. I'm still offering change if you want it. :B
 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE) 
6228.31 In reply to 6228.29 
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You are right but you are working for the entire 60 minutes, non-stop, and are getting nothing else done in the mean time.


Gary,
This comes down to a work style. For *me*, I tend to not work as efficiently when I am jumping between jobs or projects. I find it is more efficient and a better use of my time for *me* to focus on one project at a time.....
I see your point, however as I mentioned to Jim, ultimately it comes down to a matter of preference in tools.
 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE) 
6228.32 In reply to 6228.29 
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You are right but you are working for the entire 60 minutes, non-stop, and are getting nothing else done in the mean time.


Actually, while mugs are in our mug presses, at about 5 minutes per, we are running our laser throughout the day on a variety of high margin projects.

The bottomline is do what works for you. Mug Pro presses work for us. Wraps may work for others.

BTW, no one has mentioned wraps for steins. Since we do quite a few steins, and we do them in the same press as the 11oz and 15oz mugs, we're even more convinced that the Mug Pro press is OUR way to go. And we have 6 years of being continuously online to prove it.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  gt350ed 
6228.33 In reply to 6228.32 
BTW, let me introduce you to our staff.....

Hi! I'm Ed. No, you were Ed last time, I'm Ed! And that guy over there running the mug press....that's Ed. So, who's the laser operator?

Oh, that's Ed, as well.

Let me introduce you to our Graphics Dept.


"Hi Ed!!"

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6228.34 In reply to 6228.30 
Chuck,

With an order for 1000 identical mugs, I wouldn't even THINK of doing them myself. There are real options to just broker the job and have them printed by a promo product supplier.... ;-)

MUCH less time, similar profit and NO electricity cost... You are figuring the cost of running either ovens or presses to make the 1000 mugs, aren't you? :-$

"Good friends can be a real annoyance."

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  UncleSteve 
6228.35 In reply to 6228.34 
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MUCH less time, similar profit and NO electricity cost... You are figuring the cost of running either ovens or presses to make the 1000 mugs, aren't you? :-$



Yes, but there is a time factor also. One would be able to offer faster service doing it themselves. A point that customers would appreciate I think.

Also, I get nervous handing over control on some things. I always have. But that's just *ME*.
 

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 From:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE)
 To:  gt350ed 
6228.36 In reply to 6228.32 
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The bottomline is do what works for you. Mug Pro presses work for us. Wraps may work for others.


exactly...
 

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 From:  jpkevin
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.37 In reply to 6228.1 

This is a great discussion, that every person who is considering doing mugs should see.

There are definite pros and cons to both presses and wraps, depending on what your business model is, but you need to be informed before you purchase.

I personally like the wraps for the following reason. It allows someone to test the mug market for a very reasonable entry amount, and then increase your equipment as your production requirements increase.

The bottom line is that you need a production mode that matches your business model. For some people, that may be presses, others it is wraps, and some may do both. One thing I know is that generally one's business is fluid and ever changing, and it is good to know the options available.

Kevin Lumberg
Sublimation Specialist
Johnson Plastics
1-800-869-7800
kevinl@johnsonplastics.com

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  jpkevin 
6228.38 In reply to 6228.37 
Agreed, Kevin...this has been a terrific thread. Thanks to all for the information you've shared! I'm leaning toward the wraps for the very reason you've stated: it will allow us to test the waters at a very low entry cost.

It may yet be a few weeks before we pull the trigger on this....I'm still waiting for my system to arrive. But eventually we'll be mugging it up with the rest of you :B

Jim

 

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 From:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.39 In reply to 6228.38 

JPKevin gave me a great lead on a convection oven at Wal-Mart, it's less than $80 and they usually offer free delivery. It will hold at least 5 wraps, maybe more.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4012129

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE) 
6228.40 In reply to 6228.39 
Great minds think alike....see post #19 ;-)

Jim

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  ALL
6228.41 
Now I'm really in trouble! The printer, press and samples just arrived....and we're buried this week! Not sure if I can stand letting new toys sit in their boxes all week :-(

I guess I have my Saturday plans set! So be ready for more questions...

Jim

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.42 In reply to 6228.41 
Very exciting Jim!

A new frontier. :-)

After many years of performing sublimation, I never get tired of peeling the transfer paper off of a substrate and seeing the impressive, vibrant results.

I'm running sublimation transfers as we speak (type).

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.43 In reply to 6228.41 

Jim,
You are going to have SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo much fun once you get it set up....it's so easy a cav.....er you won't have ANY problems.....well maybe one or two during your learning curve. The sublijet IQ driver works almost by it's self.

After doing this for a year, outside of challenges I have created my self because of my time in the learning curve I have had only ONE time that I had a color correction problem.....and that was with the EE logo in David's shadow box.


I know there are a lot of more experienced folks that will help you, but I am happy to help you in anyway I can. Good luck. Have fun.


My next adventure begins in about a month with the arrival of *my* new toy...er I mean tool, the Vision Max Pro. Now you wanna talk about questions?????? ( insert laugh here).

Have fun

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6228.44 In reply to 6228.43 

Thanks for all your help at the show, Chuck. Matt was a really decent guy, and didn't sell me anything I didn't need (...let's face it, the guy actually talked me out of spending even more money on the 4800!)

Can't wait to dig in on Saturday!


Jim

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.45 In reply to 6228.44 

Jim,
My pleasure. Matt IS a great guy and honest to boot. Add to that the he knows his stuff......you are in good hands.....

 

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 From:  jpkevin
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6228.46 In reply to 6228.44 

Hi Jim,

Here's a good tip. Go to a fabric store and buy a couple of yards of 100% white polyester fabric. You can get it for a few dollars a yard. It works great to practice on to get up you confidence before you start on real products. It is also good to try the different Powerdriver settings on it and see the difference in the images for each setting.

Kevin Lumberg
Sublimation Specialist
Johnson Plastics
1-800-869-7800
kevinl@johnsonplastics.com

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6228.47 In reply to 6228.43 

That color correction problem was not even Chuck's fault. The blue in the logo that I sent him is different than the blue that we see. The original blue was darker than what shows, when converted for web viewing it lightened horribly. It was altered to get what you see, but is still much darker in the vector format that on the screen.

Of course I sent him the original and he was trying to achieve what he saw on the screen. It was so long ago that we chose the winner I did not remember the problems until he started having problems. You could say that the correction problems were caused by me, not the PowerDriver.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 
 
   
 

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