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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6359.21 In reply to 6359.19 
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Got it....the keyline seems easier than trying to align with registration marks. I'll give it a go......thanks as always!


Jim,
A hard learned lesson. Make sure the key line is completely away from the substrate.
I use key lines to align my graphics for coffee cups. Then I usually trim the paper in a paper cutter. It "looked" to ME that I had actually cut the line off. I could not see them at all, BUT when I pressed the mugs, sure enough there was an errant line...and the mug was wasted...


Just something else for you to dream about ;-) ( insert "just what ARE you dreaming about" laugh here.
 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6359.22 In reply to 6359.21 

Chuck...

Sounds like I really have to be careful when setting up the keyline. Do you guys bother to tape the material to the transfer or am I pretty safe with the swinger?


Jim

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6359.23 In reply to 6359.22 
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Do you guys bother to tape the material to the transfer or am I pretty safe with the swinger?


Jim,

I cannot speak for anyothers, but I always tape my material. Even with a swing away press material can shift......

By the way, did you talk to Matt?
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6359.24 In reply to 6359.22 

Jim,

You definitely want to tape the substrate to the transfer.

In the case of the transfer for the EE badges, I just use enough tape to create a "tab" along one side (the length) of the plate. No need to plaster it down; you're simply trying to keep the two pieces from shifting, while closing and opening the press.

For larger plates, I use a couple of tabs of tape along all four sides of the plate.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 19 Mar 2007 by DGL

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6359.25 In reply to 6359.23 
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By the way, did you talk to Matt?


No, didn't have a free minute today, Chuck. Hopefully I can break away for a quick call tomorrow.

Jim

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6359.26 In reply to 6359.24 
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n the case of the transfer for the EE badges, I just use enough tape to create a "tab" along one side (the length) of the plate. No need to plaster it down;

OK, so less is more in this case...good news because the tape's not cheap! :S

Jim

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6359.27 In reply to 6359.26 
For OEM toner transfer, I have found that Scotch brand tape works well. I have never tried it at 400*, never had the guts. It works well up to about 280* though.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6359.28 In reply to 6359.26 
Jim,

Transfer tape goes a long way, as long as you don't use overkill.

If you charge enough for your work, compared to ink pricing, it's not much of a consideration.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Mick
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6359.29 In reply to 6359.28 
.007 per inch, or 8.3 cents a foot !!!! (*based on a $6 roll, 72 yds. long)

Mick
Cactus Equipment & Supplies
www.cactus-equipment.com
800-440-6847

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
6359.30 In reply to 6359.27 
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For OEM toner transfer, I have found that Scotch brand tape works well. I have never tried it at 400*, never had the guts.

Harvey...

It seems like most everything we have for samples requires a temp of about 400*. Are there sublimation products that require a much lower temperature?

Jim

 

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 From:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6359.31 In reply to 6359.28 
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Transfer tape goes a long way, as long as you don't use overkill.

I guess I'm sounding a bit cheap with the tape....and after seeing Mick's post, it really isn't that bad.

Jim

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6359.32 In reply to 6359.31 
Jim,

You're not sounding cheap. I prefer to say cost-efficient. :-)

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6359.33 In reply to 6359.30 
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Are there sublimation products that require a much lower temperature?


Jim,

Obviously I am not Harvey, although I have been thinking of growing a pony tail... ( insert laugh here)....


As far as *I* know all sublimatable items need 400 degrees but varying amounts of pressure.

With OEM, you do not use sublimatable items, but off the shef items......and most of those are pressed at a lower temperature, because the transfer process is different....

I hope I answered you question.......
 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doc (GREAT_ATLANTIC) 
6359.34 In reply to 6359.31 

Jim,

The tape REALLY goes along way. I am still working off the roll I got a year ago. It does not take much to hold a transfer in place....

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6359.35 In reply to 6359.34 

Thanks for answering the question before I had a chance to get back on-line.

To All: I do virtually no sublimation anymore. I do all OEM Laser Toner Transfer. A good $300 color laser printer, a special transfer paper and a heat press, and you can do so much more. (Especially acrylic!)

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
6359.36 In reply to 6359.35 

Harvey,
I have dug out my transfer paper from Mick and was getting ready to print some for some tiles I am working on.....but I found it "odd" that AFTER I print the tile, I need to "bake" it at 400 degrees for an additional 15 minutes......I need to talk to Mick about that....but I am going to try a couple of things that Carl was talking about.

 

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 From:  Doug (JDOUG5170)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6359.37 In reply to 6359.36 

Chuck, unless you have to have a glossy image, use bisque tile and you can eliminate the post bake.

I don't offer anything but and have had no problem selling the satin finish I get from bisque tile.

I realize it means shipping expense, but, Mick offers are really nice, high quality bisque tile from England...but I have used some from a local pottery supply house.

Doug

Lavivrus Woodworking
www.tileframe.com

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6359.38 In reply to 6359.36 

In addition to a slight bit of additional grab, the post bake makes the color shiny.

I do not post bake my stuff, but then I do not do glass or ceramics either.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Doug (JDOUG5170) 
6359.39 In reply to 6359.37 
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use bisque tile


Doug,

I'm feeling kind of dumb here. :-$ What is a bisque tile?
 

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 From:  Doug (JDOUG5170)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6359.40 In reply to 6359.39 

Bisque tile is the clay, kiln fired once. It is after this that a potter or ceramist would apply any glaze that they wanted to fire on. Most tile you purchase would have a color, glossy glaze applied. It is this glaze that oem toner has trouble adhering to under the relative low temps that we press with, therefore the extended, higher temp, post cook.

I believe bisque may also be referred to as "greenware".

Doug

Lavivrus Woodworking
www.tileframe.com

 
 
   
 

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