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 From:  Ed (EMERY)
 To:  ALL
6470.1 
I've been approached by our local County Commission to engrave a glass door.

My laser bed can't accomodate the piece (21"x80").

Can I make something that can be attached to the glass? Or do I give up on the project?

Edsel Emery
Emery Laser Engraving

Edsel Emery
Emery Laser Engraving

 

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 From:  Goodvol (JIMGOOD)
 To:  Ed (EMERY) 
6470.2 In reply to 6470.1 

Edsel,

You might consider outsourcing it. I would not turn down the job because they may not come back for future work. You may not make as much money outsourcing it, but you show them you can handle their request and they will come back for more business that your machine can handle.

Jim

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Ed (EMERY) 
6470.3 In reply to 6470.1 
I suggest you get a glass etching kit, make a sample and see if they would accept that...

This sounds like a perfect etching application. :D

"Good friends can be a real annoyance."

 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
 To:  Ed (EMERY) 
6470.4 In reply to 6470.3 
Ed:
Rather than turn down the work give some thought to making a deal with somebody with sandcarving equipment. That's really a better process for this work and you might come up with a new business alliance.
Mike Null Dist. of Lazer Cutting Grid www.stl-laser.com
 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  Ed (EMERY) 
6470.5 In reply to 6470.1 

Better be certain that it is not tempered glass. That will shatter in the laser or being sand carved.

If you attach something to it use only glue. You cannot drill it either without it shattering.

The trick to tempered glass is that the surface is under tremendous compression. Scratch the surface too deep and it turns into tiny pieces from the stress. That is the reason for tempered glass. It has to shatter and not break leaving lots of big sharp edges.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

EDITED: 30 Mar 2007 by HARVEY-ONLY

 

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 From:  Ed (EMERY)
 To:  Mike (MIKEN) 
6470.6 In reply to 6470.4 
Thanks for the advice, guys...I'm stopping at the courthouse on Monday to look over the project. I'll probably be back for more help!

Edsel Emery
Emery Laser Engraving

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Ed (EMERY) 
6470.7 In reply to 6470.6 
Ed,

I agree with those who say the job is worth pursuing, but only as a middleman.

Good luck!

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Laser Image (LASER_IMAGE)
 To:  Ed (EMERY) 
6470.8 In reply to 6470.1 

Bring it to someone like me that has a 38" x (infinite length) laser - yep, pass through doors save the day!

Gary

P.S. Tempered glass can be an issue but I am working with a sandcarver that does it all the time. They are pro's and have no problem at all with it.

 

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 From:  Larry B (PALMETTO)
 To:  ALL
6470.9 

Ladies and Gentlemen:
I am in the door business, have been for 30 years. FYI ALL glass doors are required by Federal Law to have tempered glass or the equivalent (wire glass can substitute). Any glass that is located in an opening that is less than 18" off the floor is required by most codes to be tempered. So it's a foregone conclusion that it is tempered.

I have sandblasted tempered glass before with success.

Also, and this may be objectionalable to some, but Oracal, the vinyl company makes a product, that when cut on a plotter and applied properly is difficult to tell from etched or sandblast. If your customer is looking for something just for the look, this is an alternate to set up and sandblast etc. Cheaper too. I have some of this material on a door coming into my house and I get remarks all the time on the "sandblasting". I get a laugh when I tell them it's vinyl.

Epilog EXT 40w, Vision 16x24,
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Larry B (PALMETTO) 
6470.10 In reply to 6470.9 
Larry,

I can vouch for the credibility of the "I can't believe it's not sandblasting" vinyl.

Very realistic and capable of fooling the trained eye, from a (short) distance.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

EDITED: 30 Mar 2007 by DGL

 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6470.11 In reply to 6470.10 
Glad to hear about the good looks fo the vinyl. I was aware of it but hadn't heard comments.

Now as soon as I can find the switch on my vinyl cutter I'll have something to do.
Mike Null Dist. of Lazer Cutting Grid www.stl-laser.com
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Mike (MIKEN) 
6470.12 In reply to 6470.11 
Mike,

You won't be disappointed. Very slick invention. :-)

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6470.13 In reply to 6470.12 
And it is great for municipalities where the manager/clerk/etc. name may change with every election.... :S

"Good friends can be a real annoyance."

 

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 From:  Doug (JDOUG5170)
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
6470.14 In reply to 6470.5 

Harvey, I'm sorry, but, tempered glass can most certainly be sandcarved.

Doug

Lavivrus Woodworking
www.tileframe.com

 

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 From:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)
 To:  Doug (JDOUG5170) 
6470.15 In reply to 6470.14 

I was told by a few sand carvers that they would never touch it again.

But I'll take your word for it.

Philadelphia, PA (Really Bensalem)

When you finally understand it completely... it changes.

 

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 From:  UncleSteve
 To:  Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY) 
6470.16 In reply to 6470.15 
Acid etching will work well... used on automobile safety glass all the time.. :D

"Good friends can be a real annoyance."

 

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 From:  Franklin (FW_HAYNES)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6470.17 In reply to 6470.10 
I currently work for a sign company here and do alot of vinyl work. The etchmark vinyl is difficult to lay because it is so thin that it gets bubbles really easy, but once it is laid on the glass, it does look like etched glass.
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under". ~Ronald Reagan
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Franklin (FW_HAYNES) 
6470.18 In reply to 6470.17 
Franklin,

I haven't worked with vinyl much, but do the usual tricks of the trade (application solution, i.e., soapy water) help with eliminating air bubbles during installation?

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Larry B (PALMETTO)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6470.19 In reply to 6470.18 

Dave:
Sqeegee as normal. My wife put this on our door after I cut it and it looks great. Normally an office or the like just wants a number or something small , so it could be done on site. We didn't find it any more difficult than other vinyls.

Epilog EXT 40w, Vision 16x24,
 
 
     
 

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