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 From:  Dave (MT_DAVE)
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6475.1 

Has anyone upgraded to there latest o/S incarnation? Do you like it and do you think it is worth it? If networking 3 computers, do all 3 have to have the same O/S?

Thanks,
Dave

Wasn't just born at night, sometimes it seems it was last night. Big Sky Awards/a>
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Dave (MT_DAVE) 
6475.2 In reply to 6475.1 
Dave,

Are you referring to Vista?

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
 To:  Dave (MT_DAVE) 
6475.3 In reply to 6475.2 

I just bought a laptop with Vista and I don't like it a bit.

It may be the "old dog" thing.

But you can network it with XP.

Mike Null Dist. of Lazer Cutting Grid www.stl-laser.com

EDITED: 30 Mar 2007 by MIKEN

 

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 From:  Dave (MT_DAVE)
 To:  Mike (MIKEN) 
6475.4 In reply to 6475.3 

Mike,
Hope you don't mind me asking why you don't like it?

Dave

Wasn't just born at night, sometimes it seems it was last night. Big Sky Awards/a>
 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
 To:  Dave (MT_DAVE) 
6475.5 In reply to 6475.4 
Dave:

I have a thing about unnecessarily having to learn new software. It seems like I have to almost start from scratch with this program--nothing is familiar. I will admit that this laptop is a backup for me and I haven't had time to work with it. But my laser is not currently compatible with it.

I haven't located an easy way to find windows explorer for example.

Don't be surprised if you can't connect some of your equipment.

I just told my wife yesterday that I wished I hadn't bought it.
Mike Null Dist. of Lazer Cutting Grid www.stl-laser.com
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Dave (MT_DAVE) 
6475.6 In reply to 6475.4 
Dave,

This was the word on the street, before Vista hit the street:

http://engravingetc.org/forum/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=5881.1

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Cody (BOBTNAILER)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6475.7 In reply to 6475.6 

At least Dell has ONE product line that you can still buy with XP (looking at another pc for my mom). It looks like they're eyeball-deep in the Vista thing.

Ouch.

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Cody (BOBTNAILER) 
6475.8 In reply to 6475.7 
Cody,

The Linux developers are seeing much more interest in their OS, as as result of what they regard as Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot with the (premature) release of Vista.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6475.9 In reply to 6475.8 

Microsoft has a habit of premature, uhhh..., releases.

Windows 3 was stable when version 3.1 came out. Windows 95 was never stable, and Windows 98 was worse. Finally with Win98 SE (second edition) there was a stable version. WinME was a waste of CD plastic. WinXP was OK after SP1 but was finally good after SP2 (almost 3 years after the initial release).

I personally plan to avoid Vista for at least a year or more.

 

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 From:  Cody (BOBTNAILER)
 To:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ) 
6475.10 In reply to 6475.9 

Once I have confirmation that all my drivers and programs work reliably with Vista, then it will be an option.

Until then, no stinkin' way.

 

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 From:  jeanettebrewer (JEANETTEBREWER2)
 To:  Cody (BOBTNAILER) 
6475.11 In reply to 6475.7 
quote:
At least Dell has ONE product line that you can still buy with XP


Cody,

When you get a chance, let me know which product line that is! Daddy spent quite a bit of time last weekend trying to get Dell to sell him an XP system with no luck. Gateway would sell him one but couldn't deliver it in time for this particular customer's installation.

Jeanette Brewer
ENGRAVING CONCEPTS
(formerly Brewer Sales)
Epilog & Xenetech Distributor
www.engravingconcepts.com

 

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 From:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ)
 To:  jeanettebrewer (JEANETTEBREWER2) 
6475.12 In reply to 6475.11 

XP is still available on Dell's business computers (not home computers), except the Dimension line.

It's available on the Optiplex series, the Precision series, and the XPS series (which are technically part of the Dimension series, but are designated as high end game machines).

For laptops you can get it on the Latitude and Precision series, and the top two models of the Inspiron series, again only in the business models. All the home models are Vista.

 

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 From:  jeanettebrewer (JEANETTEBREWER2)
 To:  Dave Jones (DAVERJ) 
6475.13 In reply to 6475.12 
Hmmmm...he didn't look in the right place, obviously. Thanks for the info -- I'll forward it to him tonight.

Jeanette Brewer
ENGRAVING CONCEPTS
(formerly Brewer Sales)
Epilog & Xenetech Distributor
www.engravingconcepts.com

 

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 From:  Cody (BOBTNAILER)
 To:  jeanettebrewer (JEANETTEBREWER2) 
6475.14 In reply to 6475.11 

http://www.dell.com/content/products/results.aspx/optix?c=us&cs=04&dt=SmallGrid&l=en&s=bsd

This is the address that I found it on....

 

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 From:  jeanettebrewer (JEANETTEBREWER2)
 To:  Cody (BOBTNAILER) 
6475.15 In reply to 6475.14 
Muchos gracias, mi amigo!

Jeanette Brewer
ENGRAVING CONCEPTS
(formerly Brewer Sales)
Epilog & Xenetech Distributor
www.engravingconcepts.com

 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEHUNTER)
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6475.16 

Vista is very pretty, but in being so, eats processor power and memory - you MUST HAVE a recent CPU and 2Gb memory to run it (and your applications) smoothly. It also has some really stupid bugs.

Networking is a doddle. I'm using Home Premium and as soon as I plugged in the network cable it was away - much easier than XP Professional. (The other computers on my network are all running XP Professional)

Loads of peripherals/drivers won't work - existing scanners are no-go! Even my laser printer would not work until Canon came up with a new driver. Fortunately Epilog is on the ball and if they have not updated the drivers on their website then they will send them by return.

Corel Graphics X3 needs SP2 to run - so presumably earlier versions don't work at all.
I persuaded my CAD program (TurboCad V12) to run, but it is not good and I'm hoping for an update soon before I go mad.
Photo programs seem to love Vista - especially Lightroom, but watch out for wierd problems with colours if the new Windows Colour Management is turned on.

Mike

Precision Prototypes
Michelmersh, Hampshire, UK

EDITED: 30 Mar 2007 by MIKEHUNTER

 

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Message 6475.17 deleted 30 Mar 2007 by C_BURKE

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Mike (MIKEHUNTER) 
6475.18 In reply to 6475.16 
quote:
Vista is very pretty, but in being so, eats processor power and memory - you MUST HAVE a recent CPU and 2Gb memory to run it (and your applications) smoothly.


I wonder if a Vista ready/capable/formated computer would run XP? Keep your original XP disks, and just format the drive....putting XP back on the new machine.
 

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Message 6475.19 deleted 31 Mar 2007 by DATAKES

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 From:  Mike (MIKEHUNTER)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6475.20 In reply to 6475.18 

I'm sure the new machine would run XP - and very fast too!

Buyers of the Business version of Vista are ENTITLED, under the Microsoft licence agreement, to "downgrade" to XP Professional. This does rather show how confident MS are about their new OS!

(I'm running home premium without the entitlement)

Mike

Precision Prototypes
Michelmersh, Hampshire, UK

 
 
   
 

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