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 From:  Becky (KIAIJANE)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6537.12 
Help me Obi-Wan...you're my only hope.

Ok, so say I go with this refillable cartridge thing, what do I need for that besides the ink and the cartridges? A reset tool? A special syringe?
And do I want spongeless?

I looked at that inksupply.com link and, to tell you the truth, it confused the heck out of me. I have no clue what to order or what I am even looking for.

The mug order I was anticipating to arrive in July, arrived yesterday 8-O which is good. But that means I have less time than I thought to get caught up to speed on mass production of mugs (which can't be farmed out somewhere else)

I really apreciate everyone's help in getting me up to speed on this. I have been spending some time on our sister forum and looking through old posts here.

The opinions are pretty much split on wraps vs presses, which printer to choose and which "bulk method" to pick (refillables vs bags)

There are lots of pros and cons to all sides of it leaving my head spinning. 8-O

Any other suggestions would be really helpful. (this is to the group at large reading this, not just David)

Thanks
Becky
 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.13 In reply to 6537.12 
Becky,

You'll want the spongeless, refillable cartridges, and the chips (sold separately) that go with them.

Also the chip resetter.

No special syringe. Just a syringe as a means of filling your cartridges, through the hole on top.

You'll want two sets of cartridges; one in the printer and a fresh set for when you need to change cartridges.

The trick, if any, to spongeless carts is to make sure the plug on the top of the cartridge is airtight. Some people go as far as to use a hot glue gun to ensure a proper seal. Otherwise the ink may drain from the carts.

Not as scary as it sounds and in my opinion, preferrable to bulk systems.

If you find yourself over a barrel (or mug) I'd be happy to print some transfers for you, in the interim.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.14 In reply to 6537.1 

Becky,

Here is my two cents, which isn't worth much.

Get the Epson4000. I looked at all the options for a year before I made my choice, I read most of the posts......and ultimately decided on the 4000. I have had it for well over a year, with the 110ml cartridges ( which lasted close to a year by the way) .....it NEVER Clogged, I have had only ONE color correction problem, and only ONE mechanical problem which Epson took care of as close to immediately as humanly possible.

Add to that, that the printers you are looking at can only accept one size of paper, the epson4000 has 4 sizes of paper available to use, as well as a ROLL of paper for extended runs. This is handy when you want to print more than one image. For example, you can only get ONE ( 1 ) 6" tile I if you do tiles on an 8X10 sheet. You can get 4 on a 17 x 22, and an almost infinite number on the roll.

I also know you have a large order for mugs....you can only get two prints for mugs on an 8 x 10, but you can get four or maybe 6 on a 17 X 22, and A LOT more on the roll. Ultimately this will save you time and money...which is really what it is all about.

 

want change?

EDITED: 5 Apr 2007 by C_BURKE

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.15 In reply to 6537.1 
Becky: I believe that sometime earlier when you were first getting into this (dye-sub), I may have responded that I buy my spongeless refillable carts online from MIS Associates. It''s one of the wisest decisions I have made in the 6+ years of doing dye-sub. I abandoned my bulk system.

I now buy 125ml bottles of Artainium ink from my California supplier, Coast Graphic Supply (forum member). I refill the clear cartridges myself. It's a snap. The carts come with automatically re-setting chips, and when the chips go on the fritz, you can buy replacements from MIS as well. Cheap.

Do yourself a favor and switch to these carts. They are so relatively inexpensive that you can buy back-up carts so as to have filled carts waiting when you run out.

I've never actually counted, but you will get several (many) fillings out of each 125ml. Of course, depending on colors used, some bottles may run out faster than others.

If you have a bulk system you will be leaving behind, you can even syringe the ink from that system into your carts.

Speaking of syringes, I go to the local pet/veterinary supply store and buy them in bulk. I use them for sucking from the bottles and filling the carts. Works great.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6537.16 In reply to 6537.13 
You'll want the spongeless, refillable cartridges, and the chips
quote:
(sold separately)
that go with them.


From MIS Associates (inksupply.com), the chips come with the carts, already installed.

quote:
The trick, if any, to spongeless carts is to make sure the plug on the top of the cartridge is airtight.


Again, the rubber plugs on MIS carts have not presented any problems. Don't leak, while being easy to remove/install.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.17 In reply to 6537.4 
I use a Epson 1280. Although they ARE getting harder to find new, the 1280 has a lot to offer. It will take 11" x 19" paper and, as you have surmised, it prints in 6 ink colors.

Once I switched to spongeless refillable carts, my clogging issues dramatically became a thing of the past. And learning how to do physical head cleanings using distilled water has contributed greatly to trouble-free printing.

If money is no problem, either the Epson 4000 or 4800 might be the way to go. On the otherhand, the 1280 can be had for $400 or less. I cannot tell you how many times mine has paid for itself; at least 50 times. Do the math.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  Becky (KIAIJANE)
 To:  gt350ed 
6537.18 In reply to 6537.17 
Ed-
Well, believe it or not, I managed to score a new 1280 on clearance at Staples for $100. Tonight actually. LOL
So, on inksupply dot com, what am I buying to go spongeless and refillable for this thing? They look like they have refill kits but they don't seem expensive enough ( like $45?)

Since that is what you have, can you tell me what you buy?

Thanks for helping me get up to speed.
Becky
 

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 From:  Becky (KIAIJANE)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6537.19 In reply to 6537.14 
Chuck,
Thanks for your opinion about the 4000. I really appreciate it.

Based on your opinion, I think I will probably take the leap down the road. Which may be not that far down the road.

I am going to give this 1280 a whirl and see if it gets me through this wave and then I will take a look at the 4000 a lot closer.

Thank you so much,
I really appreciate it
Becky
 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.20 In reply to 6537.19 
Becky
You've been given good advice about buying the MIS refillable cartridges.

I would buy TOG inks simply because David says they're OK and a lot cheaper than the others.

I can tell you that your 1280 will work fine if you use it. Even if you're just printing something to exercise the printer.

If you don't do that (like I didn't) you may take up swearing which I did.
Mike Null Dist. of Lazer Cutting Grid www.stl-laser.com
 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.21 In reply to 6537.18 
From MIS Associates, order two of each:

SLC-T007-EC
SLC-T009-EC

These are the empty black and color carts.

Also, order the chip resetter. I don't have the part number. It's somewhere on their website, along with their phone number.

I never ordered the refill "kit". You may want to. I don't believe you need it.

Other than syringes, you'll be good to go.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  gt350ed
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.22 In reply to 6537.18 
MIS Associates' phone number is 1-248-391-2163. I believe they are in Michigan.

Ed Holley
Victor Valley Trophy & Awards Co.
and Coffee Mugs Online
www.coffeemugsonline.com

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  gt350ed 
6537.23 In reply to 6537.16 
Ed,

Thanks for the update. I haven't used the spongeless, refillable carts, although I've seen them in action.

No bad reports from the people I know who use them.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  PenTrophy (PENINSULATROPHY)
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.25 In reply to 6537.24 

Are we still talking about sublimation ink ???


2 oz $86 75ml per color
4 oz $140 125 ml
8 oz $240 250ml
16 oz $406 500ml

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Mark
In the Great Northwest!

EDITED: 5 Apr 2007 by PENINSULATROPHY

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  Becky (KIAIJANE) 
6537.26 In reply to 6537.19 
Becky,

At last weekend's Coast Graphic Supply Learning Center, I found that even though the Epson 4000 is being replaced by the 4800, there are aspects of the 4000 that make it more desireable than a 4800.

Has to do with some of the desireable functionality of the 4000 that has been eliminated in the 4800.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  John (JOHNRMONTG)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6537.27 In reply to 6537.26 
Hi David .... have you seen any of the new advertisements for the system that features the 4800? It is using a system that effectively makes a 4800 a 'dual use' printer in the fact that you put both sub inks and conventional inks in them (at the same time). Altho it doesn't work like the 4000 with the double 4 ink setup it is one that will make it even more versatile.

John
John & Alexa Montgomey
Lakeshore Engraving

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  John (JOHNRMONTG) 
6537.28 In reply to 6537.27 
John,

Yes, I've seen where the 4800 can be used for dye sub and other cartridges are brought into play for printing transparencies for film positives, used in the silkscreen process, as one example.

I've also seen where Sawgrass uses that printer model for their Chromablast system, where dye sub is one function and another ink formulation is used for printing 100% cotton garments etc.

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  John (JOHNRMONTG)
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6537.29 In reply to 6537.28 
Hi David ... yes, the latter is the system I saw ... quite interesting isn't it? Don't know if a 4800 can be converted to it or not tho...

John
John & Alexa Montgomey
Lakeshore Engraving

 

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 From:  Stunt Engraver (DGL)
 To:  jpkevin 
6537.30 In reply to 6537.29 
Kevin,

Is the Epson 4800 the printer model used in the Sawgrass Chromablast method?

Thank you,

David "The Stunt Engraver" Lavaneri
DGL Engraving
Port Hueneme, CA

 

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 From:  jpkevin
 To:  Stunt Engraver (DGL) 
6537.31 In reply to 6537.30 

Hi David,

Yes, the 4800 is the model that is the dual system. It uses two drivers....one is the Powerdriver for the sublimation side, and the other is the Chromablast driver to use that side. The only thing you have to manually change is the paper. It is a really cool option to allow you to do both technologies with one machine.

The 4000 is not set up to do this.

Kevin Lumberg
Sublimation Specialist
Johnson Plastics
1-800-869-7800
kevinl@johnsonplastics.com

 
 
   
 

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