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 From:  sprinter
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6621.21 

I still find CASmate Pro (which is Flexisign now) to be the best I have found followed by AI cs2, HP Precision Scan, and Corel X3. I was not impressed with ImagaroZ and returned it.

Grant you CASmate and Flexisign are $3500 + sign making software, I use it for all my vectorization and complex layouts and import it into Corel for the laser output.

 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
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6621.22 In reply to 6621.21 
I just completed an architechtural model for a new client. The reason I got the job was that the usual model builder could not deal with the AI files the customer had sent. There were 26 drawings in all and it was necesssary to modify all for engraving and cutting.

When I talked with the artist about making the changes to permit engraving the answer I got was "I can't do that in Illustrator."

Long story short--I made all the changes in CD X3 and for a change charged a fair price for doing it. (usually I under charge for my art work)

Anyway CD was flawless on this job.

BTW, I used stencil board for the first time and it was great to work with.

Mike Null

Dist. of Lazer Cutting Grid

www.stl-laser.com
 

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 From:  Carl (CSEWELL)
 To:  Pedaler (ROYBREWER) 
6621.23 In reply to 6621.19 
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I have *never* found pre processing in a bitmap editor to save any time. Of course your initial scan might be somewhat better if you 'paint" it first, but I personally find the cleanup capabilities of Draw to be so much more efficient for the type output I require than time spent in paint. Lastly for this exercise, if a graphic is so bad that the bitmap program would help, then it is an excellent candidate for manual tracing.


And you've probably been editing nodes far longer than me! ;^)

Pre-processing a file will not change an impossible to convert image to a perfect conversion. However, for me, it dramatically reduces clean-up time. Maybe that's only because I've been using graphic editors far longer than node editors? No, that's probably not true since I've been using CAD programs for +25 years.

Everybody has their tools of choice and people don't work the same. Node editing, for me, in X3, is painfully slow, but that's due to my slow computer. I've started going back to v12 of CorelDraw to perform node editing because I can accomplish it much faster. And, being fairly new to X3, I have not learned all the finer points.

Yes, there are far more settings in X3's trace, compared to v12, that can do the same or similar things that pre-processing a file can do. So far, the pre-processing, for me, yields far better results in a lot less time. And that may be solely due to the lack of processing power of my computer! As I get more familiar with X3, and maybe buy a faster computer, I may change that opinion. Your opinions will definitely influence that decision.

I have manually traced my fair share of images! And I've also used both automated and manual methods to achieve the results that I expect.

Carl

  Guntersville Laser Engraving
  Guntersville, AL
  http://www.GuntersvilleLaser.com

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 From:  Pedaler (ROYBREWER)
 To:  Mike (MIKEN) 
6621.24 In reply to 6621.22 
Mike,

We want to see pictures!

Roy Brewer
http://www.engravingconcepts.com
Epilog/Xenetech distributor

 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
 To:  Pedaler (ROYBREWER) 
6621.25 In reply to 6621.24 

Roy:

I'll see if the client will send me copies. The drawings and models were for gates for the St. Louis Zoo. The gates are going to be constructed of a particular kind of steel which rusts quickly and evenly and the rust provides a durable finish. Each drawing repesented a layer of steel depicting an element of the overall design.

This steel will be welded in layers with one image on top of the other creating a jungle scene. One gate is a cheetah scene the other a rhino.

The challenging part of the job was making the spots of the cheetahs. I decided to raster them (all the way through the board) rather than vector them. So many tiny spots would have been a nightmare to vector.

After completing the cutting I took the material to the model builder for gluing and painting and framing. The frame represents a 4" steel box that surrounds the entire gate and provides the support for the hinges.

I collaborated with the model builder because the job was originally his but his lasers will only vector and he couldn't make the drawings work.

Mike Null

Dist. of Lazer Cutting Grid

www.stl-laser.com

EDITED: 13 Apr 2007 by DGL

 

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 From:  Larry B (PALMETTO)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6621.26 In reply to 6621.18 

Chuck:
I agree with you on Photoshop. I use both Corel Photopaint and Photoshop. I think Photoshop wins hands down when it comes to photo editing and manipulating graphics. PP has it's good points but PS has more.

Corel X3 is good, a lot better than some prior editions. The Powertrace thing is OK, but as someone else said, the one that comes with Flexisign and Enroute (same company) is really good, but those are super expensive softwares. I have the one in my Enroute CNC toolpath program.

I agree with enhancing your bitmaps before attempting to trace them. Just get in there and work on the things that don't look right. I usually change the contrast and such. Just my 2 cents worth. Good luck!

Epilog EXT 40w, Vision 16x24,
 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  Larry B (PALMETTO) 
6621.27 In reply to 6621.26 

Thanks Larry,

This thread has been enlightening to say the least.....it is great that so many folks shared their opinions and ideas..... I learned a lot......

 

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 From:  Pedaler (ROYBREWER)
 To:  Mike (MIKEN) 
6621.28 In reply to 6621.25 
Mike,

Sounds like a terrific project. I hope you'll be able show the finished model. When are the "real" gates scheduled to be completed?

Roy Brewer
http://www.engravingconcepts.com
Epilog/Xenetech distributor

 

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 From:  Mike (MIKEN)
 To:  Pedaler (ROYBREWER) 
6621.29 In reply to 6621.28 
Roy:

I have sent a request for a picture to the artist. The installation should be completed in June.

The model was made at the request of the donor of the steel for the gates.

I will follow up on this even if I have to take pictures of the real thing once installed.

Mike Null

Dist. of Lazer Cutting Grid

www.stl-laser.com
 

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 From:  William Desrochers (DRAKESIS)
 To:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE) 
6621.30 In reply to 6621.1 

Illustrator CS can open CDR 10 and under files, as CMYK or RGB.

I use both Illustrator CS and Coreldraw 12, and honestly there's not a lot of difference between both. There both just as good for vectoring.



William Desrochers
Excalibur Creations & Recognition
"Cutting Edge of Quality & Design"
http://www.excaliburcreations.com

Raster Bitmap to Vector Conversion Service
I specialize in converting raster bitmap images into high quality vector artwork. All work is done by hand, accurately and quickly by me.
 

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 From:  LaZerDude (C_BURKE)
 To:  William Desrochers (DRAKESIS) 
6621.31 In reply to 6621.30 

Thank you William,

I appreciate your input. The conclusion I have come to is to Keep on using X3 and upgrade Photoshop.

I will try some of the tricks mentioned here regarding pre processing as well.....

Thanks again for your help.

 
 
     
 

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