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<body> <h1>Full Version: <a href="https://www.engravingetc.org:443/archive/index.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.3">Plaque</a></h1><a name="a99_3"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.3">#3</a>]<br /> 28 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.2">#2</a>] 29 Jun 2004</p> <p>Joe,</p> <p>I am using the same brand and color of carpet that I have in my current store. It has held up so well over the past three and half years, and goes with my display fixtures and shop's color theme. Unfortunately, it does not appear to have the holding power I need, so I will try to find a muted solid color that compliments our planned decor.</p> <p>How well does the adhesive on the velcro hold up on the back of the plaques? I have heard that some people reinforce the strips with a few staples. I would prefer not to do that, but will if I need to.</p> <p>I will have to re-visit Roy's article. I save all of my back issues for just such ocassions.</p> <p>In future posts, I will try to give everyone a play-by-play update on how the process is going. I may even include a picture or two.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a99_4"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.4">#4</a>]<br /> 28 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.3">#3</a>] 28 Jun 2004</p> <p>The industrial strength Velcro will hold to the plaques with amazing power, nearly impossible to get off. On heavy plaques use plenty of Velcro to prevent them from falling off. I usually end up covering about 1/2 the plaque with the Velcro.</p> <p>I started with two strips about 6" long and the held well for quite a month, then plop. One problem is vibration, another is the customers twisting or pulling the plaque till they hear the rip sound of the Velcro, getting scared and just leaving it that way. Plop. When you place the plaque, push and do a twisting wiggle while under pressure. That tends to double the grab on carpet.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a99_5"></a><p><b>From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.5">#5</a>]<br /> 28 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.3">#3</a>] 28 Jun 2004</p> <p>David,<br /> To add to Harvey's message. Make sure when you buy the Velcro you buy the large box that says industrial strength. You can usually find it at Home Depot, however, I was in Sam's Club the other day and saw it there for less than Home Depot.</p> <p>Dee</p><hr /><a name="a99_6"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.6">#6</a>]<br /> 28 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.5">#5</a>] 28 Jun 2004</p> <p>Dee,</p> <p>I thought I had seen Velcro at Sam's Club, but wasn't sure if it was industrial strength or not.</p> <p>Thank you for the info.</p> <hr /><a name="a99_7"></a><p><b>From: Dee (DEENA-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.7">#7</a>]<br /> 28 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.6">#6</a>] 28 Jun 2004</p> <p>David,<br /> The box is red and blue with the words "Industrial Strength" in large letters. The Velcro is 2" wide and 15ft long</p> <p>Dee.</p><hr /><a name="a99_8"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.8">#8</a>]<br /> 28 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: Dee (DEENA-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.7">#7</a>] 28 Jun 2004</p> <p>Dee,</p> <p>That sounds like a winner (if I choose the right wall material). It sounds like a shopping trip to Sam's and my local carpet store are in the plans.</p> <p>Thanks!</p> <hr /><a name="a99_9"></a><p><b>From: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.9">#9</a>]<br /> 29 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.3">#3</a>] 29 Jun 2004</p> <p>David <br /> Dee & Harvey are on track with the where to get & what kind of Velcro etc.<br /> I have never had an issue with the adhesive on the back of the Velcro. We get the Industrial Strength stuff from SamÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¾Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢s. <br /> What I do differ with Harvey on is the amount needed to hold to the carpet.<br /> We use a 2-3" piece on top and bottom - thatÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¾Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢s all - fall off has never been a problem.<br /> I would suspect, for what ever reason, this carpet has some really good holding properties. To get a plaque off the wall I usually have to help the customer. If I cover 20% of the back we would never get it off. We do not have much vibration even though we have a 4 lane state road just off our parking lot. Take your Velcro<br /> carpet shopping with you. Test, Test, Test.<br /> Good Luck - keep us up with you progress</p><p class="edit_text">EDITED: 29 Jun 2004 by JHAYES55</p> <hr /><a name="a99_10"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.10">#10</a>]<br /> 29 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.9">#9</a>] 29 Jun 2004</p> <p>Joe,</p> <p>I figured that the trick was finding the right kind of carpet to receive the Velcro. Do you recall the brand and style of carpet you have found to be so "grasping"?</p> <hr /><a name="a99_11"></a><p><b>From: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.11">#11</a>]<br /> 29 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.10">#10</a>] 29 Jun 2004</p> <p>Sorry no<br /> It was a close out roll from a local carpet store.<br /> It's sort of blue :) I think. or maybe gray - I'll look today!<br /> Joe</p><hr /><a name="a99_12"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.12">#12</a>]<br /> 29 Jun 2004<br /><b>To: JHayes55</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.9">#9</a>] 30 Jun 2004</p> <p>Jay, I think my problem may be that the carpet that I used is not grabby enough. It feels like a super grab with Velcro alone, on a plaque not as good. I have only had problems with 10x12 plaques and larger. With 4 x 2 pieces top and bottom, plop. This is mainly because the customers tend to lift the bottom displacing the Velcro there and then it is only hanging by the top.</p> <p>As far as vibration, the mall is built with a Level 2 earthquake rating, it has lots of give. Even on the lower level, after everyone is out, the hanging keychains sway. It is quite freaky to be there at midnight and 25 feet away from a mirrored keychain and see the reflections rock and rolling.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a99_13"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.13">#13</a>]<br /> 1 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.3">#3</a>] 1 Jul 2004</p> <p>"I will have to re-visit Roy's article. I save all of my back issues for just such occasions."</p> <p>In which magazine is this article? I save all of mine also and will read anything Roy wrote. If you know the issue it would be very welcome also.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a99_14"></a><p><b>From: jbrewer (JEANETTEBREWER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.14">#14</a>]<br /> 1 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.13">#13</a>] 1 Jul 2004</p> <p>It was Engravers Journal. I *think* it was mid-summer 2003 (I know it was after Vegas '03 & before Vegas '04)! Dad has all our back-issues in his office at home.</p> <p><br /> HTH,</p> <hr /><a name="a99_15"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.15">#15</a>]<br /> 1 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.13">#13</a>] 1 Jul 2004</p> <p>It was the Engraver's Journal, June thru October 2002. It was a series of 5 articles. I read them again and will take to heart much of what Roy had to say in the set-up of our new retail space.</p> <p>His examples of do's and do not's allow the pictures to speak louder than words.</p> <hr /><a name="a99_16"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.16">#16</a>]<br /> 1 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.13">#13</a>] 1 Jul 2004</p> <p>Harvey,</p> <p>If you haven't been to <a href="http://engraversjournal.com">http://engraversjournal.com</a>, they have a database of all of their past articles. This was a great way for me to dig this one out of the archives.</p> <hr /><a name="a99_17"></a><p><b>From: Mike (EJPUBLISHER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.17">#17</a>]<br /> 2 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.16">#16</a>] 2 Jul 2004</p> <p>Harvey:</p> <p>Maybe we need to publish an article to help people find technical information. You can go to our on-line index and browse article titles, issue by issue going back to 1975. You can also do a key word search there by typing in a word such as "burnishing" and it will display every article pertaining to that topic.</p> <p>However don't type in "Velcro". It's a registered trademark. If you are looking for the generic stuff, look for "hook and loop fasteners." A lot of the trophy and engraving suppliers sell it (check the R&I Directory in the December issue or the on-line edition at <a href="http://www.engraversjournal.com">www.engraversjournal.com</a>).</p> <p>One last thing. There were a number of mentions in this discussion about Roy Brewer's "classic article series, "Is That All Ya Got?"</p> <p>Next week we'll have them launched on our web site for your reading pleasure.</p> <p>Sincerely,<br /> Mike Davis, Publisher<br /> The Engravers Journal<br /> <a href="mailto:publisher@engraversjournal.com">publisher@engraversjournal.com</a></p> <p> </p><hr /><a name="a99_18"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.18">#18</a>]<br /> 2 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: Mike (EJPUBLISHER)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.17">#17</a>] 2 Jul 2004</p> <p>Mike,</p> <p>Thank you so much. I think your post is so important, I will post a copy of it in the "Tricks and Tips' folder.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><a name="a99_19"></a><p><b>From: gt350ed</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.19">#19</a>]<br /> 11 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.16">#16</a>] 12 Jul 2004</p> <p>David: The carpet we use, and installed using carpet glue to plywood, was found at Lowes. It is a medium to dark charcoal gray color very similar to our commercial grade store floor carpet. It is that kind of carpet that, if you look at it closely, seems to have horizintal ribs of about 3/16". When you get about 10 feet away, you don't notice them.</p> <p>In any event, this particular carpet holds the plaques very, very well using the 2" wide white industrial strength Velcro. You just use the spiky nylon portion with the hard bristles. You can throw the other fuzzy portion away.</p> <p>We additionally used this carpet on lower free-standing walls with an oak 3/4" x 6" cap. It allows us to just Velcro the back of a variety of flat items and slap them in place, including wooden framed medal displays, ribbons, etc.</p> <p>We get lots of compliments on our showroom and displays. So, maybe we're doing something halfway right.</p> <p>And, last, those Roy Brewer articles are worth gold. We printed them out and have included them in a binder that, with other valuable info is becoming our bible/standard procedures manual.</p> <hr /><a name="a99_20"></a><p><b>From: Engravin' Dave (DATAKES)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.20">#20</a>]<br /> 12 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: gt350ed</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.19">#19</a>] 12 Jul 2004</p> <p>Ed,</p> <p>The ribbed carpet is what I thought I had seen in various trade shows I have been to over the years. The booth manufacturers use that material in their designs.</p> <p>I will have to stop by Lowes to see what I can come up with.</p> <p>Thank you so much!</p> <hr /><a name="a99_21"></a><p><b>From: Harvey only (HARVEY-ONLY)</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.21">#21</a>]<br /> 12 Jul 2004<br /><b>To: gt350ed</b> [<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.19">#19</a>] 12 Jul 2004</p> <p>Don't automaticaly throw out the loops portion of the Velcro like I used to do. It makes great pads to put under displays to prevent scratching of surfaces.</p> <p> </p> <hr /><p align="center">Show messages:  <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=EE&msg=99.1">1-2</a>  3-21</p> <h4><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=EE">Back to thread list</a> | <a href="llogout.php?webtag=EE">Login</a></h4> <h6>© 2025 <a href="http://www.beehiveforum.net/" target="_blank">Project Beehive Forum</a></h6> </body>